I was very surprised to learn
recently that a close friend of mine believes in Hell: a place in the afterlife
where sinners will be tormented for an eternity. Hell is a concept that I have never been
comfortable with, and for much of my life I have adopted a rather smug attitude
toward those who believe in it. But over
the years, as I have encountered – both in writing and in person – others who
ardently believe in it, including not only people who are good, but also people
who are extremely intelligent, I have felt an increasing sense of discomfort
over the acceptance that these others have of the idea. Could I be wrong? Is my smugness a symptom of an impious pride
that is blocking me from the truth?
Several years ago, I happened to meet
a woman who was a devout Christian, who had five children. Somehow or other, the subject of the
afterlife came up, and I asked her if she believed in Hell. She replied that she did, declaring that this
fate would befall not only those who had been wicked during their lifetimes,
but also those who had rejected the fundamental tenets of the Christian
faith. I pointed out to her that, with
five children, there was a rather significant probability that at least one of
these would be among this class of sinners, if for no other reason than that he
or she would not choose to follow her religious beliefs and practices. Could she find true happiness in heaven, I
asked, knowing that one of her own children was being tortured for all
eternity? Oh yes, she replied, because
in that case the Creator would erase from her memory all traces of the
existence of that particular child, thereby enabling her to enjoy her eternity
of bliss completely undisturbed. It was
a reply that I found to be both horrifying and humorous at the same time.
I have always thought that the
concept of Hell is particularly incongruent with the Christian religion, which
counsels that one should have compassion for all living beings, including one’s
enemies and oppressors. It seems rather
strange to me that the practice of such compassion and sympathy should end as
soon as one passes into the afterlife.
And yet, very wise and very good persons such as St. Augustine insist
(as he does in City of God) that
there will be eternal torment for the damned, that in fact this will probably be the lot of the majority of humanity, and that such a condition will
not disturb the happiness of the saved.
I have never read Thomas Aquinas – another very good and very
intelligent man – but I have heard that in his writings he goes so far as to
contend that one of the sources of pleasure for the saved in Heaven will
actually be that they will be able to watch the torments of the damned.
Should I be a member of that
fortunate minority who makes it into Heaven (and I am certainly not claiming
that I believe that I have a good chance of doing so), I couldn’t imagine
myself being happy there if anybody who I had known in this lifetime was being
tortured for all of eternity: even those who had generally been causes of
unhappiness in my life. Eternity, after
all, is a very, very, very long time. I
think of the most horrifying, miserable conditions that human beings have been
subjected to in their lifetimes, such as being prisoners of war in the camp of
a brutal enemy, and even in those circumstances, the victims could at least take
consolation in the knowledge that a final release from their suffering would
come at the end of their lives, if it didn’t come sooner, with a release from
their captors. Civilized human beings
generally believe that there is such a thing as cruel and unusual punishment,
which should be prohibited, even for the most heinous crimes. It is a standard of mercy that all of us – or
nearly all of us – subscribe to. But I
cannot imagine a more cruel and a more unusual punishment than one that would
last for an eternity.
How is it that persons who are very
scrupulous about the humane treatment of the most violent criminals in this
lifetime can suddenly cast this sympathy to the winds in matters of the
afterlife, and believe with no reservation or discomfort that intelligent
beings will be tormented for a time without end? Many of these persons are quite ready to
accept such a fate for beings who were not even evil in the commonly understood
sense, but rather whose greatest sin had merely been that they had not had
belief and faith in the appropriate religious doctrine.
Now I am not above taking
consolation myself in the idea of some higher form of justice, meted
out to all rational beings. I have
observed with just as much bitterness and frustration as everyone else the
phenomenon of persons who had been immoral, abusive, exploitative, and wicked
during their lifetimes, and who seemed to have been able to engage in these
behaviors with little or no negative consequences upon themselves, and in some
cases even enjoyed great material success.
Conversely, I have seen good, charitable persons suffer during their
lives, and never gain the reward to which they seemed entitled. I want to believe that there is some sort of
process beyond the mortal confines of our existence that will mete out rewards
and punishments fitting for the behaviors practiced by each of us while we were
on earth. But at the same time, I have
to believe that such rewards and punishments will be grounded in similar
standards of justice as those practiced by temperate, moral people in this
world. Is it unrealistic to believe that
a perfect being – as we understand the Creator to be – will be a perfectly just
one, and a perfectly compassionate one as well?
And is it my own limited capacity to understand and comprehend such
perfection which causes me to regard a perpetual, never-ending punishment as both
unjust and uncompassionate?
(There is, admittedly, a great comfort
in the idea that not just death, but an afterlife as well, will serve as a
great “equalizer”, bringing down the proud, wealthy and powerful, and bringing
up the poor, the oppressed, and the downtrodden back to a common level. I have known persons, however, who have been
a little too enamored with this idea: who want to believe that a reckoning
awaits not only those who were evil, but also those who had been able to enjoy
life much more than they had.)
It is not just traditional
conceptions of Hell, however, but those of Heaven as well which have given me
problems. Will an existence without
goals to achieve, or problems to overcome, be a truly happy one? As I pass my time in Heaven (again, assuming
that I merit such a reward), will I truly find happiness by looking upon each
new day as one that will be empty of complications, or conflicts, or
challenges? “Ahhhh, another blissful,
trouble free day, where I can love everybody unconditionally and be loved in
return in exactly the same way. And
after this, another just like it, and one after that, and another after that,
and . . .”. Now I must admit that when I
have shared reservations such as these with others about Heaven, I have
encountered some potent and potentially valid criticisms. My complaints about Heaven, after all, are
based upon my current, mortal conceptions of time and of experience. Beyond this present, earthly existence, how
we relate to time, and the nature of our experiences, might be something that
is entirely different, and well beyond our capacity to understand it now. My conception of happiness is at present an
earth-bound one, and may be incongruent with the type of happiness that beings in
an afterlife will experience.
And yet, one cannot resist
wondering what the source of such happiness will be. I would like to think that there is at least
some congruence between what will make me happy there (in Heaven) as what has
made me happy here. The wonderful Albert
Brooks movie Defending Your Life
comes to mind, where, upon passing on into the afterlife, his character
discovers that one of the pleasures there is that he can eat as much of his
favorite foods as he likes, with absolutely no guilt or fear of
consequences. Of course, if the sources
of pleasure in heaven really do reflect the sources of pleasure on earth,
including the sensual ones, then one can’t help but wonder why we were adjured
during our lives to abstain from them, or at least practice them in moderation. Why hold back from enjoying them during our
lifetime, if the goal of our existence is to enjoy them in an unlimited way for
an eternity in the afterlife?
I am reminded of a joke by the
Irish comedian Dave Allen. A businessman
is taking a stroll and encounters a young vagrant, loitering in the park. “Young man,” he says, with irritation, “why
don’t you get a job?”
“Why would I want do to that, sir?”
the vagrant replies.
“Because then you could make money,
and if you work hard enough and long enough, you will be able to put away
savings, so that someday you can retire and live a life of leisure, lying
around and doing whatever you want,” the businessman explained.
“But I’m already doing that now, sir,” said the vagrant.
If the sources of happiness in this life and the next are
incongruent, so that we should shun or at least limit the first kind, and look
forward to an unlimited helping of the other, then why are they incongruent?
Why should any source of happiness (aside, of course, from those which
are derived from the sufferings of others) in this life be toxic?
Recently, the wife of a popular
American television preacher ran into controversy, after she declared that if
we focus on making ourselves happy, then this will make God happy. She was roundly criticized by more traditional
clergymen, such as the pastor of a church who, when invited to come on
television and share his views on the matter, said that we should focus instead
on making God happy, and by doing so
we will eventually find true happiness for ourselves. Now as I watched this controversy unfold, I
realized that I had some fundamental difficulties – not just with the remark
that the preacher’s wife made, but also the one made by this self-proclaimed
expert on theology who was publicly rebuking her. If God is perfect, omnipotent, the uncaused
First Cause, etc., then how can God’s “happiness” or other mental and emotional
states, whatever these are, be contingent upon anything that we do? We can no more “make” God happy or unhappy
than we can make God roll over, or jump up and down. Of course, this implies that there is really
no way that we can ever please God, no matter what we do, which would seem to
make much of the rest of this discussion about Divine reward and punishment
mute. One possible way out of the
conundrum is to engage in a little wordplay, and say instead that God can “take
pleasure” in our actions.
Still, if God is merely “taking
pleasure” in our actions – preferring that each of us lives our lives according
to a certain moral code – in a way that involves no real stake in the matter for
God (else this would take us back to the contingency problem), then what is the
purpose in that? It would seem to make
of each human life the equivalent of a television “game show”, with those who
acted correctly (or, according to some religiously-minded people, those who
believed correctly) winning a prize, and those who failed the test not winning
a prize (or worse, being punished, perhaps for an eternity). This idea – of each human life getting a
final “pass” or “fail” – seems rather unfair, given the diversity of
circumstances, both innate and situational, that predispose a human being to
one mode of conduct (and belief) rather than another. It is rather naïve to assume or believe that
every human being, regardless of their unique life circumstances, has an equal
opportunity (let alone probability) of choosing and living the right path
rather than a wrong one. Even St. Augustine , in his City
of God ,
wrestled with the problem of what would happen to human infants who never had
the opportunity to commit to any form of behavior or belief. And to the extent that these opportunities
are not equal among all human beings, then the idea of a perfect, divine
justice underlying all existence is seriously undermined.
It is for this reason, I think,
that the idea of reincarnation has become a tenet among various spiritual
disciplines. If the Creator desires (another awkward verb to use in conjunction with a perfect, omnipotent being) that
all of Its sentient creations achieve some sort of moral perfection, then it is
much more just and reasonable to assume that more than one lifetime will be
allotted to each sentient being to attain this goal. Whatever mistakes we make in this lifetime
can be corrected, and atoned for, in one or more future lifetimes. Hell, in such a case, may not exist, or may
not need to exist. There is, for example,
a particular type of saint in eastern religion called a bodhisattva: a saint
that refuses to enter Heaven until all other sentient beings are saved. Such a saint could never bear the idea of
some fellow soul being barred from Heaven, let alone being tormented for ever
in some form of perdition. Hence, there
is no contradiction between the compassion practiced by such a saint during
life and that saint’s capacity to exercise similar compassion in the afterlife,
as there so often seems to be in western religions.
But while reincarnation seems to be
a more “humane” system of religion, I no longer believe that it is a more
personally satisfying one to believe in.
There was a time when I warmed up to the idea of being able to attend to
“unfinished business” in future lifetimes, correcting personal flaws and
somehow atoning for past sins, and in particular found it appealing to believe
that I could survive beyond the limits of my present life into those future
incarnations. This consolation, however,
lost its allure to me many years ago after I read a discussion of the idea by
the American philosopher Hazel Barnes.
In her book, An Existentialist
Ethics, Barnes observes that a characteristic of reincarnation, as it is
generally understood, is that a person living now has no conscious recollection
of any of his or her prior incarnations.
Where is the comfort, Barnes asked, in believing that my soul essence
will survive beyond my death into the existence of some yet to be born person,
if that person will have no active memory of me? Everything that made my existence important
to me – my experiences, my feelings toward others who were close to me, my goals,
accomplishments, and challenges – will be gone from the conscious memory of
that future incarnation. That person, in
their day-to-day existence, will no more care about me and what had happened in
my life than the typical person who I encounter in the street today. Under such circumstances, how can I feel any
kind of genuine satisfaction in the belief that I will “live on” beyond the end
of this present life? Everything that
makes up “me”, in any meaningful sense of the word, will still be very much
dead and gone. (It seems to me – if
current popular accounts of reincarnation are true – that the best I could hope
for is that some future incarnation might dredge up fleeting mental images of
my life in “past lives” hypnotic regression therapy. Surely I would stand a much better chance of
having my experiences make a tangible mark on the conscious minds of future
persons if I just left behind a journal!)
And, Barnes added, there is another
problem with reincarnation. If the
purpose of mortal life and existence is indeed to somehow “fix” ourselves, by
growing spiritually, correcting our faults and shortcomings, and atoning for
any wrongdoings that we have committed, then an endless (or nearly endless) cycle
of births and rebirths will remove any sense of urgency to the project. If the western religious concept of one life,
one opportunity, seems too harsh and unforgiving, then the eastern one seems to
err in the opposite extreme. One can
keep throwing the dice, so to speak, over and over and over again. Why should I bother correcting a particular
vice in this lifetime (particularly if I enjoy it), if I can fix it in the next
life, or the one after that, or the one after that? The finitude of time, Barnes observes, is
what gives it its value, and it is also what confers an importance upon the
choices we make. If I truly believe that
if I don’t fix a particular mistake now, then another opportunity may never
arise in the future to fix it then, it will motivate me to take the proper
action – now. But if I believe that I
will have a limitless stream of opportunities to do so, the motivation is
diminished, perhaps entirely. Even the
capacity to enjoy life itself may be diminished, if I believe that I have an
infinite store of time in which to do so.
“You only live once,” is a popular expression, and implicit in that
expression is an exhortation to savor life, and live it to the fullest, because
you only have this one chance to do it.
Every moment is precious, because it is part of a finite collection of
moments allotted to us, and though these may seem uncountable (particularly in
our youth), we develop a growing appreciation of the fact that our time here on
earth is limited. Another popular
expression of late is “bucket list”: the idea that as we become more cognizant
of the limited number of days still available to us, we want to rush out and
have those “once-in-a-lifetime” experiences that will give us a greater sense
of a fully-lived life. The underlying
message of the aforementioned movie, Defending
Your Life, in which the recently deceased main character is literally put
on trial, with lawyers for the prosecution and defense, is that the real
purpose of life is to honor it by boldly “seizing the day”, and having the
courage to strive for what (or whom) one truly loves and cares about.
In Thornton Wilder’s play Our Town, the main characters learn only
too late – after death, in fact – how truly priceless the seemingly commonplace
moments in their lives were, when they were spending time with their families
doing ordinary things, such as sitting together at the dinner table. The gravity of the realization that those
moments are now gone forever is painfully apparent to the deceased characters,
and they regret that when they had lived them, they had been preoccupied with
other things, and did not relish them and treasure them as they had experienced
them. The deceased want to shout out to
the still-living and exhort them not to make the same foolish mistake by
squandering their own precious moments with the loved ones in their lives, but
cannot communicate with them from beyond the grave.
What if the dead characters in Our Town were given that second chance,
and each could live their entire life over again, with a full memory of their
previous pass through that life, and the ability to live parts of it
differently, if desired? What if they
could live just one day of their life
over again? In the movie Groundhog Day, the main character finds,
upon visiting a town as part of a work assignment, that he is living the same
day over and over and over again in that town.
He initially rebels against the experience, acting in absurd and even
destructive ways during repeats of this day, but eventually settles into the
phenomenon, using each repetition as an opportunity to improve himself (he
learns, for example, how to play the piano proficiently), and also to become
more fully engaged in the lives of those around him – most of whom had merely
been strangers to him during that very first passage through the day. When he is finally liberated from this
recurrence, and finds himself passing into a genuinely new day, it is
apparently as a consequence of the fact that he has finally lived that previous
day perfectly. Perhaps this really would
be the result of an ability to relive one’s experiences in an endless cycle of
repetition: an ultimate perfection of those experiences by correcting,
broadening, deepening, and savoring them, along with a perfection of one’s self
as well. On the other hand, it seems
just as likely that the phenomenon of eternal recurrence would eventually leave
one in a state of catatonic apathy, unwilling to engage with the world at
all. Perhaps, in time, both of these
results – the positive and the negative – would occur. Is this what the eastern concept of “nirvana”
really means: the perfection of oneself through a seemingly endless cycle of births
and rebirths, followed by a profound world-weariness in which one willingly
ceases from engaging in any future rebirths, and chooses, instead, a complete
detachment from existence?
Of course, in the traditional
concept of reincarnation, we are not living the same life over and over again, but a different one each time. But if the purpose of reincarnation is to
“fix” ourselves, by atoning for wrongs committed against others, and learning
better how to react to certain situations, then there has to be some sort of
congruence between each life. If I have
wronged somebody in this lifetime, and need to atone for it in some future one,
then it must be the case that my future “incarnation” will encounter that other
person’s future “incarnation”, even if neither of us remembers our first
encounter in a previous lifetime.
Similarly, if I need to perfect myself by learning better how to act and
react in certain situations, then it has to be assumed that I will encounter
identical or at least similar facsimiles of these situations over future
lifetimes. (And if I don’t remember what
I did wrong or incorrectly the first time, then how will I be able to atone for
it or improve my behavior the next time?
Are my actions being guided by some unconscious force which does have a memory of all of my previous
incarnations?) The very fact that my
future lives will not be identical to this one really complicates things,
because with novel experiences come novel challenges, and completely new ways
to make mistakes that I could not have prepared for (unconsciously, it is
assumed) through the benefit of living those previous incarnations. But there’s an even bigger technicality. The human experience has become more
complicated over time, as a result of the evolution of civilization and the
technological development that supports it, and its problems and challenges
have become more complicated as well.
If, for example, as a caveman in a previous lifetime, I bonked somebody
over the head with a club, I may find it easy to make amends for that
particular transgression in this lifetime, but may find myself committing all
sorts of new sins that were unimaginable back then (like making an unsavory
remark about somebody on Twitter). If my
challenges and potential transgressions are becoming more complicated with each
new incarnation, will I ever be able to completely settle the balance sheet, or
will I constantly find myself stumbling over some new problem that I could have
never possibly prepared myself for in a million previous lifetimes? Maybe reincarnation was intended to be like a
television soap opera, with problems arising and eventually being solved, but
new challenges arising in their wake, along with the occasional introduction of
new characters never encountered before, to keep the ongoing drama vibrant and
interesting, and perhaps even never-ending. (This strategy, after all, has enabled some television soap operas to last for a very, very long time.)
It is certainly a lot less
complicated (and less mind-numbing) to simply believe that there is a Heaven
and a Hell, and that our lot is determined after one shot at life. But that idea has always left me with a much
more fundamental underlying problem: How
could a perfect Watchmaker possibly make an imperfect watch? If existence – not just mine, but existence
in general – is a product of a perfect Creator, then how can it be less than
perfect? The solution to this paradox,
for me, has always been a rather simple and obvious one: imperfection is a
prerequisite of existence. Existence in
any meaningful sense involves hope, desire, and growth through the overcoming
of obstacles and the meeting of challenges, and all of these imply that the
present state is not as good as one would like it to be. If we were all perfect beings in a perfect
world, there would be nothing to do, because there would be nothing that had to
be done.
Perhaps each of our lives is like
an individual dream of the Creator’s. As
in each of our own dreams, in which we exist as self-contained entities living
out particular dramas with little or no memory of our waking, wider existence,
perhaps each of us is living a part of the Creator’s existence, and doing so by
“forgetting”, in the brief relative moment that our lifetime lasts, that we are
something more than this individual person living this particular life. Through death, or “nirvana”, we wake up to
that wider sense of being – that being that transcends the imperfection of
transient existence and embraces all of the lives that it has lived through the
“dreams” that collectively make up existence in time. This has always been a comforting belief for me,
and admittedly a convenient one. It is
convenient, after all, for a middle-class American who has never known
hardship, deprivation, or catastrophic turmoil to believe that life is
imperfect because that’s what makes it interesting. I wonder how comforting or convenient such an
idea would be for someone who was poor, abused, or suffering from painful,
crippling disabilities or infirmities.
And even I would like to believe that somehow, some way, it matters
whether we are good rather than not good, and that our actions have genuine
consequences.
Who knows which of these views, if
any, are close to the truth: close to reconciling the existence of this
imperfect universe with the designs of a perfect Watchmaker? We can only wait, and hope, that the answer will be made known to each of us - someway, somehow - in the course of our unfolding existences. Time
will tell.
Hell is eternal separation from God. If someone doesn’t want to be with Him, know Him, or worship Him during an earthly lifespan, why would that person want to spend an eternity with Him? Ahhhhhhh, there’s the rub. We know (older people more than younger people) that 70-100 years, even 120 years, is too short of a time to live. There is something in us that says, “There should be more.” Although, our bodies wear out…sometimes after our mind does…which is also a tragedy. Heaven/hell could be thought of as this…what if you were stuck on an island with resources that were going to run out. A ship comes by, but in order to board, you must choose to serve and obey the Captain…not until you get to port, but for eternity. You’re expected to become a new creation that doesn’t serve the Captain grudgingly in order to escape death, but in obedience to his calling upon your life and him wanting you to be with him forever. You can wait for another boat to take you somewhere else, but what if the Captain has the only boat? What if he’s taking you to the only shore that is viable? You have freedom to choose…but the problem with us humans is that we want to all have our own dinghy (or speedboat!) and go where WE want to go.
ReplyDeleteAs someone who used to be an atheist, I thought people who believed in God, Jesus, etc. were stupid, or weak, or just “stuck” because they were raised that way and didn’t really want to be confronted with how the real world works. They needed a crutch. The reality is that we all have a crutch or two. I had a heightened sense of right and wrong, justice, etc., but it was a self-righteousness that judged others for their beliefs, values and actions. I was very good at pointing out the hypocrisy of others, but not my own. I couldn’t live up to my own standards. People would reach out to me to tell me about Jesus, but since I had been raised in a Christian home and gone to church all through my childhood, I figured that I had “been there, done that.” What struck me, though, was that there were at least two kinds of Christians…there were those who “admitted” to being a Christian, who went to church, were basically good, moral people who didn’t hurt anyone…and then there were people who were seemingly on fire about their faith…who expressed a living, breathing, growing relationship with a God who knew them, reached out to them, and was intimately involved in their lives. That blew me away. For the first time, I had to confront myself with the realization that it wasn’t a matter of not believing there was a God, or not being sure whether there was a God, but coming to the conclusion that IF there really is a God, a personal God, who knows me, possibly loves me in spite of myself, and has a plan (eternal?) for my life, I must act upon it. I must either choose to serve Him, or reject Him. There is no middle ground. I spoke out loud, knowing the consequences, “God, if you are really there, and you really know me and love me, I want to know.”
(Continued) There was no immediate response. No Voice. No burning bush. But over a period of several weeks, I noticed that I was starting to change. It was not condemnation, but I started to see the inconsistencies in my life…the lies, the negative thinking, the way I hurt people emotionally, the selfishness, the pride, the anger. Instead of just thinking and dwelling about my problems, I started to reframe my thoughts into a conversation with God. It started to turn into prayer. I began to sense the presence of God in my room while I was praying. I would start in anguish, but then be filled with peace. Sometimes, I would find myself actually gulping in air as if I was breathing for the first time. I’d like to say that my life was getting better, but it was actually getting worse. My life was falling apart. I would promise myself to do better, get better, etc., but then I would still make terrible decisions; I even had thoughts of suicide.
ReplyDeleteI had started attending a church. One Sunday morning, the pastor said that if we continue to resist God’s efforts to draw us to Himself, He will respect our wishes and let us go…and that there are people who are “inoculated” from faith in Jesus. They get just enough to keep them from ever getting the real thing. It was at that point that I completely surrendered. I said the sinner’s prayer, but didn’t really expect anything to change. Instead, faith came alive in me. I don’t know how else to describe it, but I felt a presence. I felt loved. I felt forgiven. I felt free. My faith isn’t based on feelings, but I did experience them when I became a Christian. After 32 years as a Christian, I can tell you that a salvation experience is real, but requires much more than that in order to grow in one’s faith, and personal transformation. Jesus said, “Whoever follows me must take up his cross.” The Christian faith requires a dying to oneself. It is shameful how many Christians do not seem to embody that commandment from Jesus. It requires a daily surrendering. I am glad that I do not worship a concept, or an ideology, or belief system. I worship the living God, who has made Himself known to me and millions of people who choose Him and are willing to die for him, because we know that this life is nothing compared to the eternal life that He has prepared for us.
Christians believe that Jesus fulfilled God’s plan to save mankind from sin and death. Man was never meant to die, but because of Adam’s sin, death entered the picture as well as a sinful nature. Adam had a free will, but chose to disobey, which brought death. Christians believe that hell was prepared for the devil and the fallen angels, but will also accommodate those who refuse to believe or obey.
Just one more thing. Getting off of the island was the best decision that I ever made in my life.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Matt, as always, for the very insightful comments. I respect the genuineness and depth of your religious convictions. I think we may still disagree about Hell, but we are definitely in agreement about the existence of God, and the fact that what we do in this lifetime matters.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteI tried to post a comment earlier and had a password problem, so I'll try to remember it and repost. If you need to approve the comment and it did get through, feel free to post whichever one you like best!
I think I said something to the effect that I read an article this morning (since we have a snow day!) that reminded me of some of your observations in this post about heaven. The writer of the article has written a book about heaven, and in this post he talks about how it will be a very interesting place...in fact, he and his wife have "Post-Bucket Lists!"
Below is a link to his article - I thought you might find it interesting. Eventually I'll get around to reading all of your blog. I'm interested, too!
Randall
http://www.epm.org/blog/2015/Mar/4/resurrection-bucket-list